2023 · Daily Journal Corporation (transcript by Kingswell)
Daily Journal Corporation 2023 Annual Meeting (Full Q&A Transcript, February 15, 2023)
At the 2023 DJCO meeting, Munger was asked about the bank stocks in the Daily Journal securities portfolio. The question was pointed: Berkshire had unloaded its bank stocks, and if those positions were not good enough for Berkshire shareholders, why were they good enough for Daily Journal shareholders? Munger's answer was structural. He might have different ideas than Berkshire, he said. If you owned marketable securities within a corporation located in California, you paid huge state and federal taxes if you sold things at a big gain, and that affected the willingness to sell. He then made a striking disclosure: those bank stocks he had bought on the bottom tick in the foreclosure crisis. Literally, Munger said, it was the bottom tick. They were practically all gain now, so he would immediately give the government forty-some percent of everything he sold out of those bank stocks. They were producing dividends that were almost tax free. Based on what he would get if he sold them and the return he was getting out of the dividends, he said, it's not so bad for us. The answer was that Daily Journal was not in a normal position. All factors considered, they were willing to hold them for a while. The decision, in other words, was not a vote against the underlying thesis. It was a vote for tax discipline. The big disadvantage in having a huge layer of federal corporate taxes and state taxes between the company and any money it made - in a state like California, especially - was that it trapped gains inside the corporate shell. Munger was telling the room that tax friction is a real input into hold-versus-sell decisions, that the bottom-tick buy had produced a position where the after-tax math of selling was inferior to the after-tax math of holding, and that the rational investor factors that into the decision rather than pretending it doesn't exist.